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Pedro Almeida disse...

Onde fica o incentivo à inovação?

Negam o lucro como O principal motor da inovação?

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Resposta no singular: ...e da imoralidade. Sim nego!
A inovação é para os criadores de soluções e não para os apóstolos do dinheirismo, que esses só têm criado é problemas para os outros pagarem.

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A necessidade é a mãe da invenção. Tem sido incentivo suficiente....

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T'arrenego ó "lucro como principal motor da inovação". E não tenciono abjurar. Na ausência de uma fogueira onde possam arder os 'extremistas', a
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Você pode renegar um modelo em que o lucro é o principal motor da inovação, tem todo o direito disso.

Contudo, o que não pode negar, porque é um facto, é que no mundo actual o lucro é o principal motor da inovação, para o bem ou para mal.

A ganância dos banqueiros foi de facto a causa da crise, mas nem Adam Smith, nem Von Mises, nem Hayek, nem Milton Friedman, alguma vez defenderam titularizações de activos hipotecários assentes em rankings forjados. Nem mesmo estou a par de terem defendido activos financeiros meramente especulativos.

Foi um erro do ser humano com consequências catastróficas, mas por exemplo em Chernobyl, numa economia extremamente regulada, também um erro humano teve um efeito catastróficos.

Será algum sistema capaz de dirimir o erro humano? E se for, não trarão as suas regulações mais efeitos negativos do que positivos?

Na minha opinião, a liberdade de errar faz-nos evoluir muito mais eficazmente do que a proibição do erro. Claro que poderão arranjar exemplos mais extremos que contradizem este pensamento, mas quando o digo faço-o dentro de um espectro de bom senso.

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E há mais: aquilo que v. diz que "eu não posso negar porque é um facto", como princípio epistemológico não pega. Se axiomatizar a interpretação dos dados empíricos a que chamamos "factos", corremos o risco de fazer como Mendes Correia no tempo do fascismo ou como os idiotas que produziram o best-seller "The Bell Curve Phenomenon", isto é: constata-se, por exemplo, que poucas mulheres ocupam cargos de chefia. Vai daí e toca de dizer que os homens são muito superiores em inteligência, pois as estatísticas mostram isso mesmo. A isto chama-se, obviamente, invenção de "factos". Assim, dizer que o lucro é o principal motor da inovação... obriga a lançar um alerta quanto à flutuabilidade desse significante - inovação. Vai ser precisa muita ciência para demonstrar cabalmente os benefícios comuns dessa "inovação", pois os lucros não são partilhados... a gente mastiga e deita fora...

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Olá.
Vão-me desculpar, mas acho que estão um pouco a desconversar sobre o tema.
O tema, interessa-me bastante, mas sobre ele, tenho bem mais duvidas do que certezas.
Para começar, acho que meter no mesmo saco a copia de musica ou filmes com invenções tecnológicas é um erro. São coisas totalmente distintas.
No primeiro caso, tenho muitas dúvidas que a ausência de copyrights leve a uma menor produção cultural nessas áreas. Se é certo que a venda de musica ou filmes terá diminuído nos últimos anos, é também certo que proliferam cada vez mais os "actores culturais" nestas áreas, tendo mais acesso à divulgação das suas obras, e ganhando notoriedade não sujeitos à douta opinião de editoras o que favorece a diversidade de conteúdos.
Quanto ao segundo caso o argumento de que se uma farmacêutica que faça um medicamento x para a doença y, e gaste balúrdios neste desenvolvimento, queira ver o seu investimento compensado, e não havendo este impulso pelo lucro, não haveria lugar ao investimento e a doença ficaria por curar, não é óbvio para mim. Não o vejo, de todo, como o principio e o fim desta discussão.
São muitas as inovações gigantes na ciência e tecnologia que não tiveram como motor o lucro, sendo que ainda hoje em ciência são muito activas áreas em que não se imagina perspectiva de lucro algum, e não são ausentes de inovação, e de pessoas motivadas, por via disso. Além disso, há um exemplo que considero fantástico, quando surgiram os computadores, apareceram duas grandes marcas a Aple e a IBM, que durante os anos 80 repartiram o mercado, sendo que a Aple tinha a arquitectura dos seus computadores patenteada e a IBM não, o que se passou foi que durante os anos 90 o desenvolvimento de tecnologia baseada nos PCs foi muito maior do que nos Mac e a Aple perdeu grande parte do mercado, o que mostra que a ausência de patentes promoveu neste caso a inovação. Provavelmente se a IBM tivesse feito o mesmo que a Aple, a internet não seria o que é, hoje. São também conhecidos vários exemplos de software livre que concorrerem abertamente com software licenciado. Tenho também duvidas sobre se o facto de haver hoje em dia muito conhecimento cientifico/tecnológico, que por ser patenteado não é publicado, não trás mais malefícios ao progresso científico, do que os benefícios que a ávida busca por patentes trás.
Penso portanto, que este é um tema muito delicado, e pouco dado a conclusões taxativas, penso no entanto também que uma maior difusão e acesso à cultura é positivo, e que no que diz respeito a inovações cientificas/tecnológicas eventualmente a tendência deveria ser a não existência de patentes, mas não de forma fundamentalista.

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